On Titles and Oaths

No, it is not common ground.

I will not agree that the Heroes of Travance have a duty to clean up the messes of their leaders. If they offer to help of their own desire, that is one thing, but to put the obligation on the shoulders of all is wrong. I do not have some pat answer to the whole situation right now. There are a number of factors to consider, not the least of which is that Travance just spent a week or so blowing holes in Obsidia's fleet, so any kind of approach we make in their geographical direction is likely to be extremely difficult. I would know more information about this lich, for a start.

-Lady Lois Heimdell

I join Lois in saying it is not common ground either.

Asking regular subjects(and yes the "Heroes of Travance" for the most part are regular subjects) to "clean up the mess" of the leaders is not their duty.

If they are a knight or other form of nobility, that is a different story and they have that obligation, or the choice to step down, as Robert has done.

But to say that all of them have the duty to clean up the mess caused by leaders that they have not sworn allegiance to, is not right in any regard.

I will "clean up" any "messes or mistakes" that I make, or that my Queen makes as that is my duty as a March Warden. I will also protect the people of my Kingdom as that is the oath that I have taken. What I will not agree to is that I have an obligation to the people of Kormyre. Do I assist now out of past ties and in the name of our kingdom being allies? Yes. Do I have an obligation to as a "Hero" absolutely not.

- March Warden Caelvan Renaith

Not obliged to clean up the messes of our leaders - agreed. Loyalties directed to the just and proper authority - laudable. Placing the burden on all the people of Kormyre or Travance - certainly not.

However, we have benefited from something that has put others in danger. I would hold myself to a moral compulsion - and, yes, hold others who have benefited from this action to an "obligation" - to remove that danger to those unjustly put into a potentially deadly situation; each held accountable to their own degree of proximity and to their own ability to aid in the matter.

Magistrate Tzaareth,

Please do everyone a favor, and keep Therions name out of your mouth, and off your Quill, as you have recently developed a habit of digging up long resolved issues, as well as guild actions sanctioned by the folks you work for, and those they work for.

You forget, I worked for your organization before I was a squire or knight. At least Therion's organization is honest about what they do, and who they are.

To everyone. This was simply meant as a public posting of vacation of position, and clearly has gotten out of hand, so I will leave it at this. We can be better than this.

To those with kind words regarding my departure, thank you.

-Robert Morgan

I forget nothing. We'll discuss this soon. R.T.

Looking forward to it. Hopefully we can also discuss that Ivar fellow while we're at it.

-Robert Morgan

Every time I see you write poetry I want to try.

Maybe you should make better choices And not hide behind others

Trying to defend your bad decisions If it was of no benefit to us

And only benefited those against us

It was a really bad decision.

I don't think it's good Niko so I'll leave the poetry to you.

Gabriel M.

Angeliana,

In the same paragraph, you claim to be free of bias, yet lay down a defense of the one you call Unkel.

Your defense of family is understandable, and your loyalty admirable. But please do not simultaneously claim to be a neutral party in this matter. If you are throwing in your defense of your relative, just say so, and don't hide behind a facade of moral superiority.

I recommend reviewing your own words before focusing on another's. What is that old saying..."those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"?

Robert Morgan,

I will quote, and there were many witnesses around us as you yelled it at me storming off to confirm it: "Respect my Decision, Respect my reasons" is how you declined the unbiased information I offered you. I did so after patiently waiting for almost a full bell, the last half observing your efforts and offering help in whatever it was for, since I was not involved. This was also not the first time I tried, however, that's not relevant. If my timing was indeed the worst and you still wanted to see my memories to have an informed decision, you could have simply asked to meet another time. Instead you asked me to respect your decision and reasons. Which, like anyone else's, were yours to make; I simply state that it was made without all of the information surrounding the events presented to you.

As for your second point, I do not see how I implicated myself other than bearing witness to the events that transpired and voicing my concerns. The council consists of Lords and Ladies of Travance, of which I, am not one of. My opinions and concerns were voiced, but I did not, and do not, have a vote at that table. If it does matter to you at all; I begged we find another option.

I was and still am responsible for communicating what I witnessed to his Grace the Count, who had other business to attend to at the time of that Council meeting. That was the extent of my involvement.

Dear Bharash,

I'm happy to sit down and speak to you whenever we are able to. You may even bring a psion if you deem it necessary, but you are correct, I would not lie. I simply am aware of perceived bias due to my relationship to Lord Rudolf as his niece. So the offer remains, to remove any potential bias. We agree on the importance of the integrity of everyone's choices as well as everyone's freedom to do so.

March Warden Caelvan,

I agree with you. Everyone is free to have their own opinions and disagree with others. Every choice is one's own. What I was pointing out by saying that it was not deserved by Lord Rudolf isn't that one can't disagree with his choices, believe me, I disagree with him ALL the time myself; it was that he alone did not make the choice in question. An entire council of lords and ladies did. The disagreements should not be aimed at him alone, as the choice wasn't made by him alone. That was my point. You are more than welcome to join the conversation with Bharash, unless he wishes it be private.

Annora,

I am not free of bias. I did not say as such either. Please feel free to re-read my words. What I wrote; was that looking into my mind, to see the events of that day, would be without any bias I might have or one might perceive me to have for being Lord Rudolf's niece. As such I offered that perspective, despite my personal feelings on psionics or the events or the decisions made.

"don't hide behind a facade of moral superiority" I am unsure of how you arrived at this conclusion, that I hide anything or that I have a façade, or that I'm morally superior. Anyone who knows me should be able to tell you that I wear my emotions, as well as others', on my sleeve. And that I do not make any claims to ANY sort of superiority let alone moral. Everyone's morals are their own. Everyone's choices are their own. I recommend you take your own recommendation to review your own words, as a paladin of the light, before you continue to publicly insult a high priestess of the light, based on assumptions instead of facts.

To all,

Feel free to seek me out in person or send me a private missive for any further questions I might be able to answer. However, here in this posting; I was requested to cease responding after this message of clarification, so I shall comply.

May the light guide your paths and keep you safe.

With love and respect,

Dame Angeliana Himmlisch, Healer of his Grace; Count Sebastien Everest

The Heart of Winterdark

High Priestess of Andorra

A quick clarification:

Specific parts of the Council were entrusted with the negotiations.

The negotiations happened after the Council meeting.

Angeliana, you did not "beg for a different option" during that council meeting as the option chosen was done during the negotiation that came after the meeting.

New information was debuted during the negotiation that was not known during the council meeting.

The entire Council did not "vote" on what the negotiated offer was.

-Zehel al Osman